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By: … of democratic responses … « Unamused

… of democratic responses … « Unamused — Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:30:44 +0000

[...] Hindraf: Food for thought MageP’s Lab draws comparisons between rallies led by UMNO Youth aka the Son in Law and the recent HINDRAF rally, questioning the selective usage of tear gas and chemical laced water cannons. [...]

By: mak jun yeen

mak jun yeen — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:52:54 +0000

Is the plight of the Indians(read Tamils) really that dire?

Can anyone give me reliable statistics of poverty and income level to let me form a conclusion? From what I see and experience the Indian Community is thriving economically, culturally and socially.

On what really is situation of the Indian Tamils in Malaysia today , in the words of the late Eusoffe Abdoolcader, are we just 4 visually impaired sages trying to describe a pachyderm?

I have lived amongst Tamils from my teenage years to living with one in blissful matrimony and apart from some of my neighbours and friends who used to lived in urban poverty, most are members of a thriving tamil middle class of professionals, blue collar workers and businessman. Even those whom I knew were poor then are now owning homes, cars and businesses.

At independence, 90% of the Indian Tamils were plantation labourers, what is the position today? Why are we concentrating on the percentage of Indians in prisons and other forms of detention vis-à-vis their make-up in M’sia’s population and not their percentage in the legal, medical and other professional and merchant community?

This Hindraf thing is nothing more than just a bunch of self appointed sages, blinded by ethno-heroism a la Sivaji, trying to pass off the derriere of the elephant as the whole beast and miss completely the majestic animal that consists the sums of all its parts.

By: GMK

GMK — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:04:20 +0000

An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law. Martin Luther King, Jr.

By: MageP’s Lab » Blog Archive » The one and only Indian honcho

MageP’s Lab » Blog Archive » The one and only Indian honcho — Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:09:33 +0000

[...] few days after the rally organised by Hindu Rights Action Force (Hindraf) which was cracked down by the FRU and police force, Samy Vellu said he is sad but not angry, defending the Government [...]

By: MageP’s Lab » Blog Archive » Steven Gan: Abdullah is the most incompetent PM we ever had …

Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:56:24 +0000

[...] Apparently, with so many pictorial evidence lying on the cyberspace, it looks certain that the PM, who is also the Internal Security Minister was misinformed by his 4th floor officers that the Hindraf rally was in chaotic situation due to the unruly participants, whereas it’s the FRU and police force who provoke the participants with tear gas and water cannons. [...]

By: Bigjoe

Bigjoe — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:00:13 +0000

I disagree with those who says those who did not walk with Hindraf somehow made a higher point of ideal. No.

If you and Harris walked with Hindraf then it would NOT have been as racial. Hindraf may not be innocent but the bigger guilt lies in those who could have helped them but did not…

By: hawaiichee

hawaiichee — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:52:36 +0000

Let’s not react with anger on the letter by the lawyer and scorn the Hindraf demonstration. Rather lets demand transparency so we can all sleep soundly that Malaysia still upholds justice. LETS DEMAND TRANSPARENCY. If anyone has err, lets put it behind and correct the current policies or abuses before it numbs us to accept them as part of our culture of being corrupt and unjust.
1. A public inquiry to any killings done and official figures of dead bodies if any and the emphasis of the need for security and impartiality by the police.
2. Official figures of how many mosque, churches, temples are demolished, the official count and how many permits allowed from Independence to now.
3. Official figures of the NEP, the capital held, what contracts are given to who at how much and if this is getting worse by the day with certain groups of people getting more impatient and greedy.
4. Official figures of government spending – how it is spend and how to get the abuse of funds to be paid back.
5. Royal inquiry into judiciary, police, ACA, Election Commission if proper procedures are followed and if there are independence from the executive (government admin) and parliment.
6. Emphasis on the continuation of affirmative action towards the Bumiputera for training and education and careful scrutiny of how money is spent to those deserving – not to those who could afford holidays around the world. Emphasis that the culture is to reward hard work and efforts and no race is above another. All this is enshrined in the Constitution where no race is treated at the expense of another.
7. This can all be done methodically and peacefully if done early. It will then be the greatest example of reform wanted by the RAKYAT in a peaceful manner and hopefully agreed by the government.
WE ARE AN UPRIGHT CULTURE. LETS STICK TO IT. DO NOT LET GREED EAT INTO IT TOO MUCH.
Greed is very common. And we can only nod that we all learn from mistakes. Yet, we need to make right what is wrong before it gets way to difficult to redress it when we have been numbed by evil.
ITS OK TO BE CORRUPT and UNJUST. (mentioned by many in better wording)
Should not be in the minds of the future generation. LETS START WITH THIS GENERATION.
LETS DEMAND TRANSPARENCY.
Forward this to as many blogs as possible and print it out. We need greater awareness to want change in a peaceful manner.

By: ronchester

ronchester — Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:55:11 +0000

First of all, i would like to congratulate to you SK for deciding not to walk with them. I mean its a wise decision to stay away from all these sort of things.

My question is, if the police is not allowed to use the tear gas & water cannons to disperse the defiant crowd, do you have any other suggestion? I mean do not be just like the opposition leader, condemed and criticised without suggestion or recommendation. Also, what kind of mentality the police should have to consider as first world mentality?

If the gov and mainstream media are praciticing double standard, surprisingly i could not find any photo of how badly injured was the Dang Wangi CID sub-inspector Chew Choon Peng, also the photo of the badly damanged Batu Caves temple and public properties, in MalaysiaKini or other blogs. All these are the result of the chain of event from a so called "peaceful assembly & gathering", which turned into a violent street demonstration. Why you guys keep posting & promoting the photo of water cannons and not showing how aggresive the crowd were during the demonstration? Maybe MalaysiaKini did not report any of such cases kot….so who speak for the truth now?

By: yes velda rouleausansoucy

yes velda rouleausansoucy — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Both of them draw very strong points based on personal principles and ideology. An Observation of the Hindraf Rally Haris Ibrahim was present during the rally as part of the Bar Council’s observer team and has recorded his observations here.Hindraf: Food for thoughtMageP’s Lab draws comparisons between rallies led by UMNO Youth aka the Son in Law and the recent HINDRAF rally, questioning the selective usage of democratic response gas and chemical laced water cannons.

By: Museless

Museless — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Both of them draw very strong points based on personal principles and idealogy. An Observation of the Hindraf Rally Haris Ibrahim was present during the rally as part of the Bar Council’s observer team and has recorded his observations here.Hindraf: Food for thoughtMageP’s Lab draws comparisons between rallies led by UMNO Youth aka the Son in Law and the recent HINDRAF rally, questioning the selective usage of tear gas and chemical laced water cannons. Screenshots