Volkswagen: No! to Proton
Friday, January 13th, 2006 | 1:01 am @ SK
Before Proton Waja Campro is scheduled to launch tomorrow, Volkswagen (VW) announced of not going into collaboration with Proton.
Volkswagen’s CEO Bernd Pischetsrieder hinted on difference of ideas with Proton, however not exluding the possibility on VW providing support to a few projects of Proton.
"We had a very specific idea how we wanted to proceed there. Unfortunately the Malaysian government, (Malaysia’s state investment arm) Khazanah and Proton had different ideas. Therefore what we wanted in the cooperation with Proton will not materialize.""What we are investigating now is whether in a few isolated projects we can support Proton — and I’d like to put the emphasis on exactly that word, to support Proton, and not to have any joint programs or joint ventures or so but to support Proton."
Who’s the loser? Volkswagen, Proton or both?
Related Link:
- paultan.org | Proton-Volkswagen Partnership: no go!
January 13th, 2006 at 1:19 am
Proton the loser of course, its reputation is getting worse and worse……
January 13th, 2006 at 10:24 am
Proton as the national car, should stick to the fundamental of supporting local vendors as well. It cannot hope that local customer support the car while it is outsourcing business to other people like VW.
Even for software and other technologies, preference has to be on the local front first, let MSC-MDC be the middle man or moderator.
Otherwise, we as consumer who are living in Malaysia, has nothing to gain. We spend money here but not expected to earn back the money.
Just like the Korean and Japanese, they only buy from themselves, thus the economy is going, it is balanced.
January 13th, 2006 at 10:26 am
Another thing i want to add, buying from local doesn’t mean that it has to be how many percent of bumiputra… as long as the the boss has a Malaysian IC, then it is a local company.
Those with Malaysian IC deserved a place in this country; Malaysia.
January 13th, 2006 at 10:31 am
The biggest losers are the Malaysians!
January 13th, 2006 at 10:40 am
keke… this will be another interesting debating channel.
but Malaysia has a lot of pretty girl, no earth-quake, no katrina, low living expenses, not so boring because got 3 main races..
when we are not happy, we can always "kutuk" the politicians and the government, everything also other people’s fault.
January 13th, 2006 at 11:14 am
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January 14th, 2006 at 2:06 pm
Proton is trapped in between.
Proton is not the looser here, in my opinion. Because, of course, Proton has no feelings…its just a product name! The biggest looser is…the man who manages Proton and I really dislike having our ex-PM, Mahathir Mohamed as the adviser of Proton. Because of him, all turn out so very chaotic and untidy management. Why do we still have that guy? He has already ‘pencen’, why need to listen to him?
So why on earth do you guys blame Proton? Proton is not a living thing, but the ex-PM is! So we blame him and his cronies as well, the Mahaleel and friends.
January 14th, 2006 at 11:21 pm
This is not a statement for support for political rally (hmm, that would be nice, but I am out of Malaysia), nor to condemn the government of Malaysia. But it purpose is to provide a forum for some of the CONCERN denizens of the land called Malaysia to log in their direct, indirect, dreams, nightmares, visions, premonitions or of any other sorts on how Malaysian Government has been denying its denizens.
Some have said that one of the major scandals in Malaysia was (ooopsss ‘is’) Proton. There must be some interesting stories about Proton that can be blogged here for others to read, drule (is that the right spelling?) or even dream about (hoping it wont become nightmares). There were some horror stories about the failure of Proton. How, a 20 odd years company that supposed to spearhead the Heavy Industry road (highways or even muddy trails) for Malaysia. The failure was even more prevailing when Koreans, with their late comers had surpasses this national car maker in every aspect.
Dont say about price, if comparing the technology, number or car sold, countries that are actually using (and prefer their cars from other makers) and verything else, has made the Proton issues becoming so ’sickening’.
The cheating that we can id here is when the government of Malaysia, using their power to impose taxes and everything else, decided to make other cars in Malaysia more expensive, while, at the same time not making this beloved national car any cheaper. The reason: TO PROTECT THE NATIONAL CAR INDUSTRY!
It has been almost 25 years since we, diligently, putting out our own money (from our salary and our children’s education funds), and working hard to PROTECT our national car industry. Where did it take us?
"Malaysia has the most expensive car price in the world"
"Last September, while everyone was arguing about the AP (A permit given to some AP kings so they can take some 20% to 30% of the car price and built big bungalows and helipad to boot) issue, the government has instructed the car dealers (foreign) to increase their price a good 10% because proton cannot reduce its price to compete with the foriegn car makers"
"We found out that a 1300 cc car from Kores kanded in Pelabuhan Kelang (a major port to import cars from overseas) only cost a mere RM8k to RM11K). When the same car is being displayed in a showroom in the same state and the same country (Malaysia that is), it will be sold at the whopping price of RM60k to RM80k - I might be half right here, but it is about right!"
"Both parents have to work their buts, day in and day out to look for money so they can pay this AP kings, if they decided to buy a car (new car that is), leaving their children at home to indonesian maids (nothing wrong with that), just that, more children growing up able to see their parent only few hours in a day".
Now, the bomb exploded again, shit hit the fan, VW rejected PROTON! Phuih, ahat else can go wrong for this company. (Tun Mahathir) have said once (sometimes in Nov or Oct 05) that Proton (hmmm, miss spelled to be pro-ta’on = Pro - TB) should be closed. Why dont we close it down. Sell it to the highest bidder (if they could get it any good value). Or change all the management, including the advisor. I think enough is enough, we have been cheated long enough. If only every ‘puny and tiny’ Malaysian denizens could understand and realise the problem: WE MALAYSIAN HAVE BEEN CHEATED FOR A GOOD 20 ODD YEARS!!!
There you go. Some of my thought of what Proton, directly or indirectly have done to us. If you have any thought about the same issues, supporting the existance of Proton of condeming its pethatic existance, please do blog it out here.
Thank you, Lex Luthor
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January 30th, 2006 at 9:23 pm
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